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Jason Mraz: The full Q&A
By George Varga
Pop Music Critic
2:00 a.m. February 1, 2009
Jason Mraz, who performed yesterday on "Saturday Night
Live," will attend next week's Grammy Awards. (Nelvin C.
Cepeda / Union-Tribune) -
See also: George Varga's Union-Tribune article about Jason
Mraz.
GRAMMY BOUND
Sunday Arts will profile some of the San Diego artists who
are nominated for a Grammy Award each week between now and
Feb. 8, when the 51st annual edition of the Grammys will be
held in Los Angeles.
This is San Diego Union-Tribune music critic George Varga's
complete Q&A interview with Grammy-nominated
singer-songwriter Jason Mraz. The published version appears
in the Arts section of today's paper.
QUESTION: I'm curious if you're any relation to George
Mraz, the great Czech jazz bassist?
MRAZ: We're no relation. I did meet his granddaughter once.
She brought me a 'Best of George Mraz' compilation she made.
Q: How did you like it?
MRAZ: I loved it.
Q: Your periodic surfing companion, Anna Troy, who is the
roommate of your good friend, Aspasia, tells me you can –
and I quote – 'Shred some serious waves.'That brings up
two questions: Do you always surf early in the morning and
does it ever happen that you come up with any musical or
lyrical ideas while surfing?
MRAZ: Yeah, it can. The great thing about surfing is that,
sometimes, it's the non-idea time because you have to stay
focused (on surfing). I do go early in the morning; that's
to me the best reason to get up and I can get home by 10
a.m. In the old days I wouldn't have gotten up until 10. I
do it for the physical fitness, to clear my mind, and
because it's the only thing that kicks my ass. It's serious
and it will beat you down. All I do otherwise is sing songs
and I need that in my life to continue to make a man out of
me. I wouldn't say I shred some serious waves, but I
definitely have fun. It's been big (waves) this week, so it
allows you to show your stuff, if you've got it.
Q: To continue, could we talk about your upcoming blues
album, 'I Hate the World and I'm Going to Kill Myself.'
MRAZ: Really?
Q: No. I made that up. But, seriously, your songs tend to
make people feel good, kind of like a musical pick-me-up.
What role do you want to fulfill as a singer-songwriter and
what do you want to give your listeners when they pay to
hear you perform live or buy one of your albums?
MRAZ: Comfort, more than anything, I think. I'm certainly
not a preacher and I'm a horrible salesman. The last thing
I want to do is force people into any (line of) thought.
But if (I write) a happy melody and a groovy rhythm that
people can sing along to and participate in, and it might
be infused with optimism or some inspirational message or
Zen philosophy, it can allow people to just be within
themselves. I don't want to say lose themselves, because
that's the opposite.
The more I travel around the world the more I see people
want the same thing – to be happy. We wouldn't be in a
monetary system if we didn't have to work, so if my music
can contribute to happiness, then that's my main
responsibility. I write those types of things for my own
joy. It's my own therapy. If I didn't write (songs) I'd
probably be insanely depressed, probably overweight, and
who knows where I'd be? A mental institution?
Q: So music is really cathartic for you?
MRAZ: Absolutely. It's something I've relied on, writing,
at least since I was 13. When I was in my late teens I
started to infuse those lyrics with music and melody. You
can make a special souvenir of a time in your life with
music and songs. So that's what I've always written (to
achieve).
Even now, that I've entered the world of competitive music,
which is what selling albums has become, I don't like
making albums for that reason. I make music out of a happy
moment, a hardship I've overcome, a lesson I've learned, a
love story I got to live.
So, for me, it's just a chronicle of my life and putting
reason to the voices in my head.
Q: Did you have any epiphany in your late teens that
inspired you to add music to the words you'd written?
MRAZ: Um, I guess it happened in college. That's when I
first really had a guitar in my hands every day. And what I
noticed was that I could make up songs about anything, on
the spot, and it became a party trick. People would come
over and challenge me with objects or situations, and I
would just make up a song about it and get a good laugh and
make people really connect.
It was through that connection and gratification that I
realized it was the only thing I wanted to do with my life.
I (realized): 'I don't want to have to compete in the
(theater) workshop or audition for jobs. I want to create
my job.'
Q: So you kissed college goodbye?
MRAZ: Yeah. I kissed college goodbye. I was in musical
theater school, and said: 'I have no need for this.' I
didn't want to stand up in a line every day and say: 'My
name is Jason,' and sing a song someone else wrote and then
go be a waiter (at night). I had a better plan – to go
write my own songs. It wasn't even about making money. My
dad always said: 'Do what you love to do, and that's it. It
won't feel like a job.
You could stop everything you're doing now, and just do
what makes you happy. And if you did it with passion,
everybody would stop and react. And, one day, you'd say:
'Why don't I sell tickets to what I'm doing?' Or put a hat
down (for donations)? That's as far as I thought it would
go – 'If I could just make enough to pay the rent.'
Q: Your latest album, “We Sing, We Dance, We Steal Things,
” features collaborations with Colbie Caillat, James
Morrison and Bob Schneider. What do you look for in a
musical partner and what's more important in a
collaborator, good vibes or creative tension?
MRAZ: Yep, good vibes. They're all people who write from
the heart and not from their pocket. Meaning, they're not
just trying to craft a crafty song to sell it. I like
writing with people who really get off on it. And Bob
Schneider, who did three of those (framed) drawings
(hanging) behind you, has the mania.
And Colbie seems to have a little taste of that free
spirit. I've been able to become more selective over the
years. In the old days, when I got signed, I'd write with
anybody and everybody, and walk away feeling like I was
just raped and so many ideas were just being wasted. I was
just looking for real people.
Q: How off the wall do some of the phrases get that Bob
Schneider, your sometime songwriting partner, throws at you
for inclusion in a song?
MRAZ: Yeah, but the (songwriting) game I play with Bob,
when you do get a phrase (from him) that is so, uncouth, I
think would be the word, its almost like it's a nice break
rather than put all your emotions in it he'll send you a
phrase (that's) something a little absurd, and that becomes
a little challenge. 'Oh, good, my challenge right now is to
be a goofball!'
I welcome every challenge. Six of the 12 songs on the new
album came from the word challenge game I play with Bob and
other friends. And there are about 70 plus other songs that
came from challenges performed on any and every instrument,
or (with) sounds or screams. There are no rules.
Q: Some songs are partly autobiographical, some are
inventions, some combine elements from real and imagined
events and people. But your song, 'Love For A Child,' from
your latest album, 'We Sing, We Dance, We Steal Things,'
sounds to me like it's written entirely from first-hand
experience. Is it?
MRAZ: Yeah it is. But it's based on loose facts, meaning
that I did my best to recall my family actually living
together. And my few memories are hearing my family behind
closed doors, watching my parents sort through a house that
was trashed. We got burglarized – burgled? We got robbed
and everything was all over the house. And I stood there in
awe while my parents stood there arguing and going though
everything.
So when I wrote the song, I remembered what it was like.
(One) line is from when my parents were busy not talking to
each other. I could hide right down the middle (between
them). I could tell my dad, 'I'm going to my mom's,' and
tell her, 'I'm going to my dad's,' and then disappear for
the weekend and learn (things) the hard way.
At same time, I had a great upbringing from two families.
And the freedom I had, I'm grateful for. You can't live the
rest of your life carrying a pain because your parents
couldn't get along. I choose to spend my life crafting a
joy.
Q: How old were you when this burglary took place?
MRAZ: I was probably 4.
Q: There was a Broadway musical in the 1960s called 'Stop
the World, I Want to Get Off.' Was that how you were
feeling after you came off the road from your tour to
promote your second studio album, (2005's) 'Mr. A to Z'?
MRAZ: Yeah when I was making my second album, the whole
thing felt like a homework assignment. I'd written the
songs over a long period and tested all the material in
coffee houses (before recording). I think every artist had
difficulty with their second album. Your dreams are
suddenly coming true, so (you think) 'What the hell do I
write about now?'
But even if your dreams are coming true, you have to pick
yourself up to go to work. I didn't realize that at the
time. It was difficult. The second album had some beautiful
songs. But it was like cramming or trying to get a project
done the night before the second science fair, so it's no
wonder the album slipped under the radar.
Q: Looking back, was it a good lesson in what not to do?
MRAZ: Sure, absolutely. I realized then that, for my third
album I was going to go back to my original setting (for
writing). I certainly don't like what happens when I'm
influenced by the music industry and all I eat is food from
room service or an airport. Room service doesn't provide
music for the soul.
I learned a lot from that ('Mr. A To Z') tour. When it was
done, I said thank you to everybody from the band and
label. (Then) I took a year off, but I was busier than
ever. The first thing I did as sign up every Sunday night
for (open-mic night at the music room next to the
University Heights coffee house) Twiggs, which – sadly –
is no longer there.
And then the Mueller College of Holistic Studies (across
the street) loved the show so much that they said, 'You
guys can come anytime on Saturday or Sunday (and play
here).' So I did that for a year, just working on my songs.
I wanted to surf, work on this (home recording) studio and
this house, and get away from what the record business can
be.
It can also be fun. (But) I wanted to get away from the
pressure or negative side. I don't know if I could've
gotten the third album without the second, so it was
definitely required.
Q: Now a few very serious questions, beginning with: Any
truth to the rumor that, when you opened a few concerts for
the Rolling Stones, Keith Richards tried to give you a
wedgie?
MRAZ: Nope. Didn't happen. We barely got to interact with
those guys. We got about two minutes with the Stones.
Luckily, I had my mother in tow and I kept her in front of
me. I kept her in front because it's her who listened to
the Stones in her college years and had a crush on Mick,
not me. I'm grateful I got to see them now – they are
rocking more than ever. It was more fun to watch them charm
my mom, Mick and Keith.
Q: Is it true that Willie Nelson, Ryan Adams and the ghost
of Rick James are recording a version of your song 'I'm in
Love with Mary Jane'?
MRAZ: That would be nice, but I haven't heard it.
Q: If I order a ring-tone for your song, 'That'll Do,' will
I be embarrassed if it goes off the at my book club meeting
during the risque lines?
MRAZ: You mean ...? (Mraz says the risque line, which
refers to 10,000 people with an oedipal complex.) I had no
idea. You mean like you can actually download the
ring-tone? Well, that's cool. Is it monophonic? I wonder if
it sounds like the recording?
Q: Don't they have to get permission from you before they
use it as a ring-tone?
MRAZ: Well, they do have to get permission, but they don't
have to use your recording. A lot of times they use really
cheesy recordings. They emulate the song, but it's Japanese
programming. I'll have to download that.
Q: Your first Grammy nomination was, I believe, in 2005,
for 'Mr. A-Z,' and you now have two nominations for your
song, 'I'm Yours.' What does a Grammy mean to you, and did
the Grammys have any resonance for you when you were
growing up?
MRAZ: Not so much. Every now and then, if I heard of a band
I liked, I'd tune in. But growing up (in Virginia), we
didn't have cable. Watching the Grammys was like tuning
into 'Saturday Night Live' – 'I'll get to see a live
band.' I attend the MusiCares (pre-Grammy all-star
concerts) quite a bit, but I've never been to the Grammys.
I've had to go to the press rooms (backstage) a couple of
times, but I never attended the Grammys. I don't know why
that is. A lot of years, I'm just out of town. It's just
not on my list of 'to do'things.
Q: How about this year?
MRAZ: I'm going to go this year because I'd like to at
least say 'thank you'for the acknowledgment. And I'm taking
my mom. I got to meet James Taylor in September (at a Los
Angeles fundraising concert) and we had a great
conversation. If I can at least introduce my mom to Taylor
then I'll score some big points. I met him at the 'Stand up
to Cancer' event that all of Hollywood put on. James was
walking by me, and I said, 'I'm a fan of 'Money Machine,' a
crazy disco song from his (1976) album 'In the Pocket.'
Q: Was he taken aback?
MRAZ: He LOVED that I brought up that song and told me he
was trying to go for a 'little disco dance flavor.' I said,
'Dude, that's what I try to go for with my songs.' I think
he realized then that I wasn't a little Jonas Brothers
(fan). Then, the conversation started rolling and we
started showing each other our tattoos.
Q: What kind of tattoos does James Taylor have?
MRAZ: He's got – was it a peace sign? It was some sort of
celestial thing on his arm that he got instead of his
sister getting it. You couldn't even make out what it was
anymore.
Q: At the risk of digging a hole and falling into it, when
I listen to your singing I get the feeling you're an
admirer of the music of Graham Nash and Michael Franks. Are
you?
MRAZ: Funny you should say that. I was at Graham's house
two days ago in Maui. We had lunch. It was actually the
first time I'd met him, but he worked on my photography
book (2008' 'A Thousand Things'). He curated the book and
wrote a really nice forward. And Nash Editions did the
book. We worked on it but never got a chance to meet
(before). His home is inspirational and got me jazzed up
about my home here and the reasons we write (songs).
And then Michael Franks, who I've never met, is probably my
idol. I didn't hear him until I moved to San Diego. I got
his (1976) album 'The Art of Tea,'and that's probably the
only album I listened to for a year. I was so blown away by
it, the playfulness and the melodies. It's pretty awesome.
Q: Yeah, he's a San Diego native. His album 'Blue Pacific'
was inspired by his growing up here. Back to the Grammy
Awards for a moment. If you were the producer of the Grammy
telecast, what would you do to improve it?
MRAZ: Um (long pause). It's a good question. I'd probably
recruit local acts from all over the country, acts that
still load all the gear in their cars and try to fit it on
stage, acts that are really going for it and are
entertaining. They can remind the viewers at home that
there is so much good music out there that you don't just
get in the music section at Best Buy, or hear on the only
radio station left.
Get people inspired that there's music, in the same way
people like to watch 'So You Think You Can Dance.' People
love watching that because it's real people, and it gets
young people jazzed up about their talent. I think that
would be cool. And then for all the (music) industry types
that are there, it's a reminder that, 'Oh, yeah, there's a
lot of great talent out there – and remember the days we
did it for free?
Q: 'American Idol' has trounced the Grammys in viewer
ratings each time the two shows have aired at the same
time. What does that say to you?
MRAZ: Well, I think it's the story 'American Idol' tells.
If you tune in at the beginning of the season you can pick
your favorite (contestant), see the small towns (they come
from) and watch them develop. And there's really a human
story there. The Grammys, I haven't seen them in a few
years but it's all about the red carpet and people showing
off their bling. Those (all-star) musical mash-ups (they
have on the Grammy show), a lot of times those people meet
at soundchecks, so there's no way they'll sound good. 'Give
us some legends!'
But I'm not surprised. 'American Idol' tells stories and
the Grammys show Kanye (West) some more.
Q: I see that you have a framed poster here in your studio
promoting a lecture by Swami Yogananda. Have you ever read
anything by Baba Ram Dass?
MRAZ: His book 'Be Here Now,' yeah, absolutely. I guess my
experience with Ram Dass is only 'Be Here Now.' And I've
tried that avenue of Zen, that psychedelic avenue.
Q: How'd that work for you?
MRAZ: Well, it works for about the 8 hours that you are
occupied with any and everything. But what I've learned
through my own experience is that nirvana isn't all trippy,
it isn't a gooey place. Nirvana isn't a place where you're
unable to operate a motor vehicle. Instead, you can
experience that bliss – what I learned is (based on) 'How
can I have that state of euphoria in my everyday life?'
Good lessons, but (Ram Dass is) certainly not my guru.
But for many years I've dug many wells in different
spiritual terrain, trying to find, to tap into, something –
the art of happiness, what life is. I've always been an
existentialist, through and through.
Q: Going back to (the writings of existential godfather)
Jean-Paul Sartre?
MRAZ: I want to know why we exist and what I can do while
I'm existing. Basically. it's learning how to exist,
wholely, consciously. Growing up on fast food and
television shows, you can easily forget to exist. You can
even be treated as if you don't. So, I think that's why
man's eternal quest for – it isn't necessarily
spirituality, but just in my own lifetime, I've watched the
fall of Christianity. Not the fall in that it's gone, but
(more) the fall of Catholicism and more people seeing how
they themselves can still have the Christ consciousness and
still be divine beings, without (following) a particular
religious practice.
Q: How does music play into that for you?
MRAZ: You can filter out what you want. It's pretty direct.
I've always used my (recording) studios to give me comfort
and assist in my realizations. If I stumble upon a great
realization I can't wait to include that in a song. And a
lot of times, I think people are listening to my songs and
may not realize that it's infused with Zen Buddhism or the
teachings of Yogananda and Sathya Sai Baba, and many
different avatars from the last 2000 years.
Q: Given all that, how important is humor in your music and
your life?
MRAZ: I just think that's the most important. Humor first
in all things. Because, otherwise, people say, 'That's not
right, that's not real.' Providing comfort (through music),
you give people a reason to laugh and make them think
nothing is that important or serious, even death is not a
serious subject. It's so natural, to think we can cling to
our lives and own it.
In Buddhism, they say attachment to anything only leads to
suffering. So when we laugh, it's our way of saying, 'I'm
unattached to that.' You're tickled by it, it makes your
lobes do something on their own. So humor is very important
to me. I always take that to the stage first. It originally
appeared (in the stage patter) between the songs. Then as
the shows got a little longer and my experience in music
developed, I found it was just as effective to put the
humor into the songs.
It's the best thing, it's the best medicine. It's why
people take drugs, it's the easy way to laughter.
Q: I'm not familiar with your hometown in Virginia. What
was the population in Mechanicsville when you were growing
up?
MRAZ: Maybe 50,000. It was a suburb of Richmond, so I'd say
that the county we were in, just north of Richmond County,
probably had 50,000 to 60,000. Now, I wouldn't be surprised
if there were 200,000 people there. More and more
subdivisions are being built, more TGIF, Best Buy and Jamba
Juice stores, and the city doesn't have any sidewalks, so
you get hit by cars (if you're on foot). People who locally
own restaurants or music stores can't get people to see
them, because there are no sidewalks to connect them. You
have to drive your big-ass car to get anywhere and you feel
like whoever's developing these places probably doesn't
even live there.
They put a million town homes and tract homes in with no
regard for the people living there. The schools are packed,
the teachers retiring are not being replaced. My high
school, according to my cousins who still go there, is now
known for its Meth problem. I had never heard of Meth
growing up. So it's really unfortunate. But sadly I don't
think it's just Mechanicsville. I think every other small
town in America is headed there. But we could correct that
if people stopped watching TV.
Q: From a musical and creative standpoint, did you find it
was an advantage to grow up in a small town, in that you
could develop on your own and make mistakes, without being
in a highly competitive environment?
MRAZ: I would agree with that. We had to go out and play.
Growing up, my brother and I – before we got into
instruments – we had a video camera and that was the
greatest thing ever. And, even before that, my baby-sitter
would give us plays and we'd have to act out scenes. So we
found out at an early age that our own creativity was so
much a better friend then any TV or anything like that.
Q: How much do the Grammys matter to you?
MRAZ: It doesn't matter a whole lot, but I'm grateful. I
don't want people to get the wrong idea just by going and
saying thank you to whoever is there, just for the
acknowledgment. But as an artist, the accolades that are
coming from the Grammys is for work I did four years to a
year ago. 'I'm Yours' was written four years ago-plus, and
the studio version was recorded a year ago. So it's not
like I'm sitting around waiting to be acknowledged. I'm
grateful, but I'd rather keep living life and writing
meaningful songs.
You know, I've also been one to say I'd love to know what
it's like to be in a recording session or a creative –
what's the word – writing session with Paul McCartney.
What's it like to be creative with Paul McCartney? And
maybe by going to the Grammys – and he's going to be there
– that might be my in.
When I was buying my house (here in Oceanside) 5 years ago,
all I was listening to was (McCartney's 1971 solo album)
'Ram. That was my inspiration. I wanted to be in a place
where I could make an album like 'Ram.'
Q: I notice that you have several gold albums and other
awards in the bathroom here in your recording studio. If
you win a Grammy, is that where you'll put it?
MRAZ: It's probably going to go in the bathroom. That seems
to be the one spot where all of (my) sales awards seem to
be stored.
Q: Deliberately?
MRAZ: I mean, it is deliberate. I do think they are fun to
share, but I certainly wouldn't hang them anywhere else in
my house. They are not THAT fun. They don't need to be in
my main house.
Q: So, after the Grammys, what do you have planned for the
rest of 2009?
MRAZ: We're touring from Feb. 1 to mid-May, all over the
world. And then June-September, you'll probably see us
touring the U.S. again, at great lengths, outdoor (venues)
touring. And I'm hoping by September or October that we
finally pull the plug and finish writing and recording the
new record. Any time in between will be spent here (at
home) and in between waves. And we'll be working on the
garden this year. We're committed to getting the house off
the grid.
Q: All solar?
MRAZ: All solar. We get sun in abundance here. And, to me,
there's no reason the house should be cold in the winter or
that my pool should be cold. We have so much sunshine, an
abundant resource, and (let's) stop feeding the crude oil
business.
Q: You're only 31, so you have a long way to go. But how
would you like to be remembered?
MRAZ: Hmmm. How would I like to be remembered? That's a
good question. (He pauses and eats from a bag of raw nuts.)
Hmmm. I've been been hanging out with Bushwalla
(singer-songwriter Billy 'Bushwalla' Galewood) for 14 years
now. And anytime we have to go out and work or earn a
little money at something, we'd always look at it as, 'This
is funding the adventure.'
We don't do this for money. But when money comes in, it
funds the party a little later. So if I'm to be remembered,
it should be for, 'He paid for this party, thank you.' 'He
bought the train tickets that took me there.'
I've had 6-7 roommates since I've lived here. I never
charge rent; the only thing you have to do is contribute
creatively. Right now, we have a few a really good organic
chef and a crazy clown rapper. I'd like to be remembered
for my generosity, in hopes that it inspired other people
to be generous. What good is anything, if you're not going
to share? What are you going to do with it?
Q: You've mentioned your mother and brother. what are their
names?
MRAZ: June and Chris. My brother gave me the sweetest
Christmas present ever. He found a tape I had made. I used
to be a janitor at an elementary school and my brother
would meet me there at night. He'd bring his sax and I'd
have guitar, and we'd jam on Dave Matthews and Bob Dylan
songs, and record them. Well, he went and had that tape
mastered and put it on a CD so you could hear the
conversations. That's what I got from him last year.
It was really trippy, because I could hear the room at the
Liberty Christian elementary School in Mechanicsville. I
was the guy who cleaned up the Kool-Aid – and all the
paste and glitter.
Q: Do you have any other family members who are still in
Mechanicsville?
MRAZ: A younger brother and older sister. They are all
there, in the same spot. My grandma lived in the same house
for 55 years, where my dad was born, and he lives a mile
from there; my mom 6 miles. But they love it here (in
Oceanside, oh, boy!
Q: How old were you when you worked as a janitor?
MRAZ: Twenty, 21. It was one of the last jobs I had before
I moved (away), which is funny. The more musicians that I
meet, the more of those jobs I hear that they had. There
are tons of janitors in the music business! Tons of
construction workers or people who had jobs where you show
up and move something, a 'do-as-you're told' job.
It's funny to me when you see fans, and people put artists,
or actors, or whoever, in a higher position. You know, if
they hadn't got this movie or record deal, they may very
well be the janitor you ignore or the person serving you a
daily special. (So) I don't think of myself as special in
any way, because I'm one job from being a janitor (again).
I named my company Mraz Discount Janitorial Supplies. It's
on my credit card, too. So, when I check into hotels (and)
they say, 'What are you doing here?' 'Oh, I'm in town for a
convention.' People always need their floors waxed.
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