Paul跟Dave爭執的原文信件

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Hi there everyone, I don't know if many of you have been keeping up with this, or if any of you even care. If not, then sorry for wasting your time with this message. I'm posting it here because I have no other choice in order to get out what I wanted to say. Up until last week, I was looking after Paul's website. As you may well know, it hadn't been updated since his last diary entry in May. This was because he promised another update in June, and then August, and then September, and then October... and, well, it never materialised. He also promised new music for us all to hear, but alas we've only seen a sniff of that even now (a remix of a dance tune by someone else with his vocals on it). Anyway, out of the blue, he decided to give me the sack, without any explanation, or any attempt to discuss or deal with whatever issues he had with me. Now, this was a private affair between him and I, until yesterday. He decided to post up our private e-mail conversation on a PD fansite forum for all to see. Unfortunately, just after I got a chance to respond to it, the owner of the forum decided to take down the thread. (原來是Paul先把信件po上去的 sorry,Dave XD) So, I hope you don't mind, but I'd like to post the full conversation here, just to let the record show what he's actually like. People saw what he originally posted (a small part of the below), so here's the full thing... -----Original Message----- From: paul draper Sent: 11 January 2007 22:25 To: David Nattriss Subject: hi dave can you give me the passwords etc for the official mansun myspace page so i can do the adds etc, im getting to grips with my myspace page and will do a blog and ask everyone to join the mansun one so i want to be able to get into it and add people. is there a way i can allow anyone to join without approving it? cheers paul -----Original Message----- From: Dave Nattriss [mailto:dave@mansun. co.uk] Sent: 12 January 2007 17:24 To: 'paul draper' Subject: RE: Hi, E-mail address: ******* Password: ******* If you decide to change the above at all, please let me know. Sorry but there's no way I know of to allow automatic approval. MySpace's system isn't very well designed! Dave -----Original Message----- From: paul draper Sent: 13 January 2007 20:25 To: Dave Nattriss (he meant to forward it to Suzi but clicked reply instead) Subject: Re: FW: hi suzi can you send me the gmail address you set up as daves given me access to the mansun myspace page and im going to change it now so i can get him off accessing it p x -----Original Message----- From: David Nattriss [mailto:dave@natts.com] Sent: 13 January 2007 20:40 To: 'paul draper' Subject: RE: FW: Ah, so you're using Suzi then. Oh well, that's a bit of an insult after all the effort I've put in for free over the years. I suppose you want me to approve the change of MySpace address for the Mansun page? I've just had a request through. I asked you to tell me if you were going to change it and you didn't. This is really sucky, Paul. -----Original Message----- From: paul draper Sent: 13 January 2007 20:51 To: David Nattriss Subject: Hey Dave suzi one of the people whos offered her serices for a long time and ill defo consider her for helping me out as shes helped a lot in dealing with the andie situation where he was posting maliicious posts on her site for a while, ive discussed this with you before,and chad and i have had to deal with the police over it so shes been really helpful, obviously you and suzi dont get on so its nothing ive needed to discuss with you. As Ive said the work youve done in setting up the holding page etc has been paid for hasnt it? Hasnt everything been done professionally, the page has been out of date for ages and i need to take up offers made to me to to help me out with stuff and various people have offered their services for free,which im gonna take up, surely you dont have a problem with that, you must have relationships with other clients where work comes to an end? cheers paul -----Original Message----- From: David Nattriss [mailto:dave@natts.com] Sent: 14 January 2007 17:31 To: 'paul draper' Subject: RE: Paul, OK, from this, I don't understand why if Suzi is just someone you're considering along with many others (who to me sound far better people to have involved), you forwarded her the e-mail I sent to you about access to the Mansun MySpace (that I set up for the band without charge). When I sent you the e-mail, I asked that you let me know if anything was going to change, but then the first I saw was a request to change the e-mail address for the account, and then you forwarding my e-mail to someone who you'd not told me was involved at all. I have no idea why you want to give a fan access to the current official MySpace page, who in the past has consistently abused copyright of your work and encourage others to do the same, shown no respect for your record label or your webmaster, has fallen out with many other fans in the past, driving them away from the sites she's been in control of, and generally done everything she can to get in the way of official Mansun and Paul Draper online activity. (Suzi有Dave說的這麼不堪嗎- -) I only ever charged you for your site because from when we first met up on the South Bank and went to Wagamama, you told me that you wanted to pay for it all properly and professionally, so that was the route we went down. If you're not happy with the work I've done for you, I would appreciate you discussing it with me properly. If you're not happy or unable to pay for my work, we could have spoken about it and come to some arrangement. To repeat: I only charged you, at a full rate or event at all, because you asked me to! I have always enjoyed being involved with both the Mansun work over the years, and yours more recently, and so if money is the issue, I am happy to take care of things for free for the time being. Until we spoke on New Year's Eve, you had never mentioned money being an issue. As far as I know, progess on your site has only halted because you wanted to wait until you actually had material etc. We had a full plan worked out for last summer but you didn't follow up on any of it. Your site could have been well underway by now if you had given me the nod and the content to get on with it, for money, or for free. It wasn't payment that was an issue as far as I was concerned. The work on your site has been paid for, yes, but I haven't been paid to do the Mansun site since Kleptomania, and even that was only for a short period, and that's not to mention all the meetings and calls we've had over the years and more recently. I haven't charged you at all for setting up either the Paul Draper or Mansun MySpace pages. And regarding work coming to an end, from my experience, it's only happened to me with people who've projects have fallen by the wayside completely - i.e. not that they've chosen to work with someone else.I've never had any work going elsewhere, and am quite proud about that! When it comes to projects that I am a fan of and support, I am usually happy to give what services I can for free. The problem I have is that you haven't really talked to me about any of this. You seem to be implying you don't want to pay me anymore, but that doesn't mean our relationship should end completely.. . does it? As I say, I would have really appreciated being able to discuss things properly before you apparently made decisions about letting others get involved. Dave P.S. On the subject of your site, we promised people who signed up for the info mailing list that they'd be the first to hear when you put up music online. So, most of them will still be in the dark about the track on MySpace because we've not done a mail-out like we said we would. We'd said the exclusives would be on your site first, not MySpace, and I could have helped with that and the mail-out, for free, if you had just spoken to me about it first. We should still do a mail-out now - let me know if you'd like to. No cost involved! -----Original Message----- From: David Nattriss [mailto:dave@natts.com] Sent: 17 January 2007 02:59 To: 'paul draper' Subject: Webmaster situation Paul, (暗色的字體是Paul Draper的回話) > The holding page has stayed dormannt for a year, the becomeoming increacingly out of date. We did discuss ideas and nothings been done pro actively, Yes, you kept promising a third diary entry, but it never materialised. You were going to put up music, but that didn't happen. I can't build a website if there's nothing to go on it! The only thing that was oustanding as far as I remember was putting up some more photos. > it would need me to tell you and you do it and invoice me. Well, that's how things usually work with a website for somebody. They give you what they want, and you put it up. As for the invoicing, as I said in my last e-mail, there was only a cost factor involved because you wanted things done that way. I only ever charged you for your site because from when we first met up on the South Bank and went to Wagamama, you told me that you wanted to pay for it all properly and professionally, so that was the route we went down. If you're not happy with the work I've done for you, I would appreciate you discussing it with me properly. If you're not happy or unable to pay for my work, we could have spoken about it and come to some arrangement. To repeat: I only charged you, at a full rate or even at all, because you asked me to! I have always enjoyed being involved with both the Mansun work over the years, and yours more recently, and so if money is the issue, I am happy to take care of things for free for the time being. Until we spoke on New Year's Eve, you had never mentioned money being an issue. > As i said before Ive had offers of people doing a site for me for free, without a lot of involvement from me, You'd never said to me at any point that you didn't want to be much involved with your own site. In fact, I thought it was quite the opposite?! We were discussing try to build something revolutionary in terms of the artist being directly involved. > ive told you this and im taking up that offer from various sources! So are you completely ignoring my own offer? I didn't know the site was up in the air until all this happened out of the blue, so it doesn't seem fair that I've been sacked (that's how it feels I'm afraid). You'd not told me at any point that you had a problem with paying for the site to be updated, or that you expected me to get on with building it when there wasn't anything to put on it. > As foar the posts youve made, Im not interested, this has been going on for years and I wont get involved with this crap anymore. If you mean the posting on the pauldraper-music forum, I wasn't asking you to get involved. The message that I posted was letting fans know that Suzi is now in charge of your site - i.e. what's up there now has nothing to do with me. > In terms of the official Mansun myspace page, I wanted to run it, as fans claimed you werent updating friends as it was a dead band. I really don't know where that's come from. I'll admit I haven't kept full tabs on it, mainly because I don't seem to get e-mails from MySpace, so there was nothing there reminding me to log in and approve people every few days etc. but I thought it was your own MySpace page that was the important one, which is why it was best that you and Caz were going to look after it. > Thats absolutely fine, just take 'official' of your site and ill get a new one going that I can run, and Chad can have access to if he wants and that will be the official from now one. I just need to know. So you're asking me if you can have the details to log-in to the Mansun MySpace, so that you and Chad can keep it up to date? If so, then of course that's fine. What upset me was seeing you forwarding the details to someone else who had nothing to do with anything to my knowledge, and then that coming after I'd said in my e-mail to you with the details that if anything was going to change with the page, you should keep me updated. It just felt like you were doing stuff behind my back, when as far as I knew I'd done nothing wrong. If you and Chad would like to look after it, why did you forward the details to someone else? > Anything else in terms of hatred between internet fans, i dont give a fuck about. As far as Im concerned, nobody has stole anything, and in terms of content everyone is entitled to access, copy, spread around diary entries, mp3, whatever, and I may have to make that clear on my site in the future. OK, I'm sorry, I thought the main goal of the website I set up for you was to get people signed up on the mailing lists, not give them a reason to go elsewhere instead. You were choosing to pay me to create stylish pages with photos and hyperlinks for your diary entries, and then 'fans' were just filling their own sites with the bare text and detracting from our work. Surely you'd be annoyed if you put hard work into a new track, played it at a gig or club, and within hours other artists/producers have ripped it off and are playing it at their own events? > Hobody stole your job, numerous people were asked by me if they could help me out with an internet presence, and numerous people will be helping me out in future as will be come apparent to you. My job was looking after pauldraper.info. I had no awareness that you weren't happy with the job I was doing. Somebody else now has that job, which as far as I know is because they've basically undercut me (by offering to do it for free), so it certainly feels like its been stolen. Like I've said, if I'd've known that money was an issue for you, I would have made the same free offer. > In terms of being mates, I can understand youre a bit put out by this, but ive been straight down the line over this, I really don't agree with you on that Paul. The first I knew about any of this was when you called me on New Year's Eve. Progess on your site only halted because you wanted to wait until you actually had material etc. We had a full plan worked out for last summer but you didn't follow up on any of it. Your site could have been well underway by now if you had given me the nod and the content to get on with it, for money, or for free. > and as far as im concerned, its a business decision i cant turn down and is now forgotten about, its in your court dave, let me know where your at and if you want to keep hold of your myspace page. If I'm not still working with you at all, then I think I will just want to give up on all of my involvement with Mansun and you online.So, if you've completely given me the boot then fine, I'll give you access to it to do with as you please, as I have no use for it. It's just pretty sad for me because if I have made some kind of mistake somewhere down the line, I've not been told what it was or given a chance to rectify it, which I would much rather do than just having to give up on everything. If by 'business decision' you are talking in terms of the cost of paying me to do stuff, again, please consider what I have said of late... I have always enjoyed being involved with both the Mansun work over the years, and yours more recently, and so if money is the issue, I am happy to take care of things for free for the time being. The only time I would want/expect money, is if you were making significant amounts of it yourself and the work that I'd done had played a part in it. Let me know what you think, please, Dave -----Original Message----- From: David Nattriss [mailto:dave@natts.com] Sent: 17 January 2007 04:16 To: 'paul draper' Subject: RE: Webmaster situation Paul, > its a done deal, no more shit I'm sorry but I don't understand. What are you saying is a done deal? Are you completely ignoring my own offer? I didn't know the site was up in the air until all this happened out of the blue, so it doesn't seem fair that I've been sacked (that's how it feels I'm afraid).You'd not told me at any point that you had a problem with paying for the site to be updated, or that you expected me to get on with building it when there wasn't anything to put on it. > your either a fan who communities who can help up a get y reputation back, not from me but from various others. I really don't know what you're trying to say here?! > Again i need to know are you keeping your own official mansun mspage to yourself with no fan updates, as straight question. Are you prepared to give me a straight answer? Did you not read my message?! I already gave you an answer: If I'm not still working with you at all, then I think I will just want to give up on all of my involvement with Mansun and you online.So, if you've completely given me the boot then fine, I'll give you access to it to do with as you please, as I have no use for it. It's just pretty sad for me because if I have made some kind of mistake somewhere down the line, I've not been told what it was or given a chance to rectify it, which I would much rather do than just having to give up on everything. So you're asking me if you can have the details to log-in to the Mansun MySpace, so that you and Chad can keep it up to date? If so,then of course that's fine. Now, where are your answers to the things that I asked you? > Onve I know, no more to be said, no more enemies, snidy messages to people and well go out on a good london night out, all forgotten. You want me to forget that you've given me the sack for no good reason?! Easy for you maybe, but not for me I'm afraid. You've swept the carpet from under my feet without even talking to me first about it,have done things behind my back, and you don't seem in the slightest bit sorry. > Just this last piece of business to be cleard up before it all goes dirty. Look, it went dirty as soon as you decided to give someone else my job without telling me, or discussing whatever issues you had with the work that I'd done. And it's getting dirtier now as you've blamed the lack of activity on your site on me, when you kept putting off writing your next diary entry. You said I wasn't pro-active when it was me sending you text messages every few weeks asking if you'd done it yet. Are you trying to use me, or the fact that I was charging you for work AT YOUR OWN REQUEST, as an excuse for getting rid of me or something?! What have I actually done wrong here?! It's you that's been busy on other projects and writing projects etc., which led to the neglect of the website. > Yout site ot mine, dead simpe, send access or not! Th siye is an irrllavence, its what it says about you as a human being. > > p As soon as you start treating me with a bit of respect again, I'll do the same. At the moment I get the impression that as soon as I give you what you want, like I did with all the domain name/website details, you'll just pass them on to someone else and I'll never hear from you again.As I said before, I set up the MySpace pages in my own time for free,so I don't appreciate you taking the piss. TO REPEAT, AGAIN: I only ever charged you for your site because from when we first met up on the South Bank and went to Wagamama, you told me that you wanted to pay for it all properly and professionally, so that was the route we went down. If you're not happy with the work I've done for you, I would appreciate you discussing it with me properly. If you're not happy or unable to pay for my work, we could have spoken about it and come to some arrangement. I only charged you, at a full rate or even at all, because you asked me to! You kept promising a third diary entry, but it never materialised.You were going to put up music, but that didn't happen. I can't build a website if there's nothing to go on it! I have always enjoyed being involved with both the Mansun work over the years, and yours more recently, and so if money is the issue, I am happy to take care of things for free for the time being. The only time I would want/expect money, is if you were making significant amounts of it yourself and the work that I'd done had played a part in it. Please respond to my points or else we'll just keep going around in circles. Dave -----Original Message----- From: paul draper Sent: 17 January 2007 04:51 To: David Nattriss Subject: Re: Webmaster situation agreed round in circles, your missing the point, no ones been sacked,and thates the end of it, i simply moved to other people who offered me free work, capitalism in action End Of Either let me run the mqnsun page, or ill do my own, its so bloody easy. Imsure youll stew for a few days, weve all been thru rhat, its over, lets be mates and go ouf out for a gig in thr near future. Only outstanding issue,access to msnsun my webor not as itll take 19 mins out of my time to do a new one. Let it go and get on with it, showus what you can do then in part of the team! waiting on the mansun myspace ] paul -----Original Message----- From: David Nattriss [mailto:dave@natts.com] Sent: 17 January 2007 07:01 To: 'paul draper' Subject: RE: Webmaster situation Erm, but you've sacked ME, Paul. You can call it 'moved to other people' if you like but it adds up to the same thing. I was your webmaster and now I'm not. You say it's simply an issue of people doing it for free, but you didn't tell me that you couldn't pay me until you'd already got them to do it. Why didn't you just tell me before it got to this? Now you have neither a website or a mailing list to show for the money that you chose to spend on me. Like I said, please respond to my points, or there's no chance of being mates. Mates don't go behind each other's backs. -----Original Message----- From: paul draper Sent: 17 January 2007 08:48 To: David Nattriss Subject: Re: Webmaster situation On 17 Jan 2007, at 07:00, David Nattriss wrote: > Erm, but you've sacked ME, Paul. For fucks sake dave, do yourself a favour and get afukin life. Errm.but I never sacked you. You set up a holding page and a few perifiralthinks including a mnailing list You done fuk all on it since, even in 2007 when it said 'coming in 2006' its been saying the forthcoming best of after it was out. I never sacked you, your a pathological dilusional liar Dave. I asked you to set me a holding page, you did it, I paid you, nothings happened on the site since then, if enyone got you sacked Dave, it was you, everyone including myself is sick to death with your bullshit. You sacked yourself by doing a really fuckin shit job! > You can call it 'moved to other people' if you like but it adds up to the same thing. I was your webmaster and now I'm not. You were not my webmaster, webmasters do work for the site, youve done fuk all for over a year to the site. How much fucking shit do you want me take off you before I move on and find someone keen on doing the job. youve done the jack total of fuck all, all year, that holding page was their solidly, you done fuckin nothing on it. > You say it's simply an issue of people doing it for free, but you didn't tell me that you couldn't pay me until you'd already got them to do it. Why didn't you just tell me before it got to this? Now you have neither a website or a mailing list to show for the money that you chose to spend on me. Anythings worh more that being held to ranson to your bulshit. Your a control freak who throws your toys out of the pram if you cant keep control of an out of date page. That suits me, you didnt touch that site at all, nothing was done, how much fucking time and leeway do you need. Mattt at parlophone asked you to help with the site you left dormant for years but all as you asked for was cash, even when it was running you alienated so many people it was a dead site, even the messageboard was dead, every fan ran a mile from a webmaster, where in unchartered territory here between people asking you to do a job,but you personality gets in the way and evetones treated you well,but youve alienated them all. You thrive on conflict and if its a fight you want then fukin brink it on, im fukun up to here with you y moneygrappin littleshit. Fans showed me abusive and childlike messages from youself, its unparralelled in the world of running a website for and artist, you wanted your name added into mailouts i did and the concenous of opinion is that your a disliked troublecasuse Id rather start again rather being involved with 2 face internet maliciousness, ive seen numerous vindictive messages to people who threaten your importance, even though i expressly with all blogs and articles are free to be taken by all for their fansites,your rage lashes out calling then job theives and plagesrist, i want no part of your moral code, i dont believe in it.Your no friend of mine natriss, stay well clear. > Like I said, please respond to my points, or there's no chance of being mates. Mates don't go behind each other's backs. Ok Dave I understand you dont want to see me anymore and I wont contact you again. Thank FUK who does shit f billy no mates / brains delete as appropriate think he fukin is, if i never see you ever again it wount be soon enough and i bet i speak for a lot of people whoo youve talked down to over the years. Just fukin dissapear with any dignity youve got left in tack, youve put the lot of us so thru much for so long you have no idea how considerate and accommodation weve been with you. Go away and take a good long hard at yourself natriss, youve alienated evertone now! Something makes me think with people of your disposition, its onlg going to be the beginning. Now for the rest of us, lets get on with enjoying music, if any fukin bitter billy no mate trouble causeres turn up again, ket me know and this was a taster, but ill really let fly on the cunt luv n peace paul -----Original Message----- From: David Nattriss [mailto:dave@natts.com] Sent: 17 January 2007 14:12 To: 'paul draper' Subject: RE: Webmaster situation Paul, I'm now laughing at how ridiculous you're being - you can't even answer the straight questions that I put to you. You're blaming me for the lack of activity on your site, when you kept making up excuses about why you hadn't got anything new to go on it. You know you should have written the next diary entry way back in June. You know we'd planned to put music up online in the summer. You didn't deliver on either! I have e-mails and texts from you from throughout the summer where you kept saying "yeah, coming soon", "will do it in the next few days". Why did you keep stringing me along like that if you were actually expecting me to do something instead? NOTHING HAPPENED ON THE SITE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SENT ME ANYTHING NEW TO GO ON IT! I'm not a miracle worker, Paul. I can't make wine out of water. What exactly should I have done to the page?! There was nothing new to go on it. Should I have put up a new diary entry saying "Paul had planned to do another great diary entry, but instead he's decided to piss off to France on a 'writing trip' for a few weeks, so you will have to wait, yet again". Or howabout a message saying "Paul was going to let you hear some of the music that he's been working on and that you're all so desperate to hear, but he's instead focusing on producing some new band that mean nothing to you lot, so you're going to have to wait another 6 months". I *was* your webmaster, if you actually know what that means. I took care of things on the web for you. I answered e-mails from fans. I set things up like the MySpace page. I gave you technical support at various times. All for free and all out of respect for you, that you've thrown back in my face. IF YOU FEEL YOU WERE 'TAKING SHIT FROM ME', WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SOMETHING?! Were you really being as two-faced as you seem?! The Mansun site is a completely separate issue. If Parlophone decide to release a 'Best Of' to milk further money out of fans, then they have to accept that having a website to promote it should come at a cost. That's how I've always operated. They can't just stop paying me to run it for years and then expect me to help them make more money,while paying me nothing. If someone's using me to make money, then I want a cut. If they're doing stuff for free, then I'll do it for free too. I wouldn't've charged you a penny for my work if you hadn't asked me to. Now, if your example is anything to go by, I should now be calling you names left, right and centre, throwing my toys out of the pram. You accuse me of thriving on conflict - all I'm trying to do is get to the bottom of why I've lost my job. You can blame me as much as you like, but we both know it was YOU that didn't do what you said you'd do. You only have yourself to blame. ------------ --------- ------ And just yesteday, at gone 4 in the morning, got a long SMS message from him on my mobile phone saying: "Why do you think you weren't told? You could see a mile off how evil you are from the wacko messages you send fans. Your an evil vindictive troublecauser, you've set out to cause trouble for me now,you want to start conflict with me. Let me tell you this natriss,I've been dealing with the police all year over issues you know nothing about. your poison, don't ever come near me or my musical career ever again, your the most disliked person I've ever met, dream up whatever schemes you want, my brief and the police will be immediately informed if you continue to stalk me thru the Internet. You're a deliberate troublecauser and I'm passing everything on to my lawyer, including your abusive messages to fans when running a pop group website." My reply, to signify receipt of his message, was simply: "F--k off and get a career" He replied a few hours later... "You've started sending malicous texts to people accidently on purpose and posting my private correspondence on the Internet, you've set about me, trying to cause trouble in my life by malicious deception, your a bitter and twisted horror of an individual. I'm seeing my lawyer about you today as you are eveil malicious and mentally ill. I will apply for a restraining order against you. Do not attempt to contact me again, or interfere in my business or life.I am reporting you to the police today, get yourself some help, you are sick." To that I replied: "Do you know the meaning of hypocrisy? Go away please, go away (that was directed at both your faces)" He came back with: "Your txt style is like your messageboard style, you need to have the last word, stop contacting me, ill take every abusive message to the police today, and ever malicious email and post your using to run a vendetta against me." To which I said: "Erm, you started this texting. How many times do I need to tell you to leave me alone?! Piss away more money on a lawyer if you like, I really don't care" And he said: "It's true what they say you do have to have the last word, are you that sad? I've said it message after message but your still contacting me, your obsessed, how clear do you want me to make it, I don't want you to contact me, if you do again I can only assume youve become derranged. Do you know how this will look for you? Everyone predicted all this, and more, you'll try anthing to cause trouble and everyones prepared for the worst coz its all you've got in your life.Please go away!" I croaked out the following: "UNSUBSCRIBE" And then he really excelled himself with: "No back answers" I've left it at that, as I had no idea what he was saying. It's been an interesting 10 years that I've been involved with Mansun and Paul Draper's online presence. Rather upsetting for it all to come crashing down like this, but I guess it could only ever follow the path of the band and its self-destructing frontman. I never thought some of the worst abuse I'd ever receive in my life would be from the man that I used to idolise in my teens, far worse than from those others who along the way have not seen eye to eye with me. This certainly isn't the first time he's treated me like this, and as he says himself, he's regularly involved with the police (I've never been near them in my life!), so I guess it's not surprising that he thinks all this is acceptable behaviour. Anyway, in terms of Mansun and the Internet, that's it for me, folks. There's nothing to hang around for. Paul is p*ssing away his musical career, Mansun split up nearly 4 years ago now, and Parlophone have already tried to flog a greatest hits collection with very little success. I've made some great friends over the years, had some mad experiences (both good and now bad), been lucky enough to observe first hand the ups and downs of being in a rock band and being idolised by many people, and through the work I did for the band online, I've been able to carve out a full career for myself... and for all that I will always be grateful. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just when I thought the storm had died down, I check my e-mail... -----Original Message----- From: paul draper Sent: 19 January 2007 03:33 To: David Nattriss Subject: Re: hi dave your trying everything you can to cause trouble for the launch of my site and mailing lists, youve become obsessed mate, ive spoke to my brief today and im catologuing a malicious vendetta, from dexy to the fan site lads, to the mailing list youll alienate yourself from everyone in the end! and others are logging it all, give up dave, i dont have time for this rubbish, you must have other stuff to do, have you? Why is it so important to keep a dead mansun page on myspace, give it to me,ill run it. ive already set up another one anyway which everyonell just join, your making yourself look petty. Your pattern of behaviour is starting to look like a vendetta and you could end up in serious trouble, as you know ive used mt legal team very effectively over the years coz all this is pretty common in the music industry. Call it quits and give up, nobody holds any hard feelings or grudges, just you man, your boring now. Your a nice kid, you need to calm down and take life with a pinch of salt a bit more and go and get laid, youll feel a lot better. Im not a bad guy Dave, come on, give it a rest dude, surely none of us need this crap, its irrelevant, if it concerns you so much, join in for fucks sake and help out. And at the end of the day the offer of a beers still there, you just riled me the other night and after a few beers hey, we all fuck up. First it was locking me out of the mansun myspace page, then messaging on messageboards, then malicious emails to people, then trying to access the database. A real pattern of harasments emerging here Dave, youve let off y steam, now cool it man, ive seen shit like this get out of hand,dont fall into the same trap, youll loose badly man. Paul x -----Original Message----- From: paul draper Sent: 19 January 2007 03:38 To: David Nattriss Subject: Re: i see youve escelated into a full scale harrassment campaign against me. No one gives a shit about you Dave, but i have all the insults you aimed at suzi a while back which show you in a terrible light as a webmaster, a bully and a troublecauser. Now if you are intent on running a harrassment campaign against me, ill call my brief tomorrow and ill have no choice to take the lot to the police. Youve started a war with me because i got someone else to do a website. Your really scary Dave, and if all else fails your welcome to come and sort this out face to face,thee offers open? Paul -----Original Message----- From: paul draper Sent: 19 January 2007 03:51 To: David Nattriss Subject: Re: Dave mate, youve gone mad, youve got whats known as a narcasistic personality disorder. You started posting, now its a full scale vindictive vendetta.You need help Dave, Im not being nasty or anything but we obviusly know whats coming, youll mail my mailing list with all this and keep going and going. Dave, no one cares man. Get some help Dave, go and see your parents, nobodys bad in this, were all just people. Youve left me with no choice but to take legal action against you, youve lost it and alienated yourself with everyone. Any further stuff going out will be met with rigerous self defence explaining your mental condition. Seriously Dave, you need help mate. -----Original Message----- From: paul draper Sent: 19 January 2007 04:01 To: David Nattriss Subject: dave you need help mate, look ill come over and take you to a hostpital if you want, i stay up late most nights anyway, or call your parents or something, if theres anything i can do? I only got someone else to do a site for me as they offered to do it free and i told you i was doing it, its not worth cracking up over, take some deep breaths and cal 999 if you need to, seriously Dave were worried youve gone over the edge here? Your slagging off the music and everything on a chat page where no one exists. I presume your going to use your mailing list for malicious pourposes and im gonna have to inform people of your mental breakdown over this, its just a website dave, your going to ruin yourself over it? Get help Dave, please! paul -----Original Message----- From: paul draper Sent: 19 January 2007 04:34 To: David Nattriss Subject: dave your a seriously fucked up guy, no ones interested or listening to you. You love conflict. I knew it would be like this Dave. Youve got a Narcasistic Personality Disorder and you need to get yourself sorted out because if you think your gonna dream up stunts and cause further and further trouble everyday, your so wide of the mark. Ill report to my brief tomorrow that your mental condition has deteriorated and youll probably turn to a database of pop music fans you collected from the EMI Mansun database to continue these lists of conversatins. Step back and look what a monster youve become. My brief will simply take me to the same old dept at the met that deal with people like you. Id like to meet you face to face so ill probably pop down over the weekend, dont worry if your out and about, ill wait. In the meantime have you considered talking to a councillor, they can be really helpful or would you like me to contact your parents, as i think you may need people around you just now. Im up for matching you post for post on the internet and if you want to use the mailing list, well have to go into great detail about your mental collapse and why your doing this, but its a bit geeky for me, id rather do this man to man. In all sincerity, ill take you to a councellor if it means this much to you, or see your gp. You dont want the stigma of harassing pop music fans, it cant be that important to you can it, i mean youve ridiculed my career and tried to twist everything into an argument, you seem to thrive on the conflict, and abuse in some of the posts i have stored from you to fans and other fan sites. After ve spoke to the police I know theyll tell me to cut off contact with you so this can be my last offer of help, as a mate. Ill come over to see you and we'll deal with all this ridicule, abuse and backhanded harassment face to face, man to man dave. Take care of yourself Im not a bad guy dave and your making a mistake in the end itll look like you got carted away in a straight jacket paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh dear... I'm still getting unprovoked threats and general maliciousness by e-mail from Paul Draper (see attached). I'm forwarding these on just in case he makes good on his promise to come to my flat (he's visited before) and then does something untoward, as I don't have or want a lawyer to take care of this kind of thing. If I was making them up, then he might have a point about this campaign he claims I'm waging, but I'm simply forwarding them on - his words speak for themselves and he only has himself to blame. Again, it's a real shame things have gone like this. It's no fun being treated like this by someone you respected and looked up to so much for years, but I suppose all relationships are emptying and temporary... Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From:"Rory Simpson" <skeg0@hotmail.com> well what the hell did you do to make him react like that!? have a nice day ? Dave的回信: Hard to say, Rory. I just forwarded our e-mail and SMS conversation from earlier in the week (see the Special/Blown It message) to this mailing list. Oh, and I've yet to give him access to the Mansun MySpace page that I set up ages ago. I was fine with doing it, but he was dishonest about what he wanted to do with it, so I stopped him before he had a chance. I'd always treated him with respect in the past, because he'd generally done the same with me. However, when someone goes quiet on you for months, then blames you for the lack activity on their website, and takes issue with being charged for the work has been done, when he sat me down over dinner and said he wanted it to be that kind of relationship, it's becomes hard to do that. And then when you start getting bullied by e-mail and SMS like all this... well, you just have to walk away, which is what I'm trying to do. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 重看信件後 1.兩人吵架還會用到Mansun的歌詞 2.其實一點也不好笑 3. ...... 大家自己判斷吧 -- 我想著野牛與天使，經久不褪顏料之秘預言般的十四行詩，藝術的庇護而這是我和妳共享的唯一不朽　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　 -------我的羅莉泰 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.139.237.121